Hi Walt,

I am sorry to hear you are having trouble with your irons. If you would like to give us a call we would be more than happy to discuss the issue. We can be reached at 888-TITLEIST

I have also spoken to our sales representative in your area, and he recommended two fitters:

Kass Kovalcheck at Vanderbilt Legends 615-791-8100 or Tim Sygerych at Westhaven GC 615-224-2990

Let us know how the fitting goes

Hey Guys, Thanks for the reply's. I talked to some buddies on mine who used to play Titleist and they all said kind of the same thing as we have. I used to play the 775CB and really hit those good. Well as time progresses (and age) I knew I couldn't consistently hit those as well. Well after going through Cally and CB, I decided to come back to Titleist and got the 714 AP1 when they first came out. I went to a fitter about 2 hours away (I live in a rural community), my fit was 2 up + 1 hard step. I have been struggling with these irons ever since. My handicap is now a 13 but that's primarily due to my short game. It's very hard to judge irons when I have that type of a distance gap. I realize some of that might just be me and my swing, but it's consistent through out my set. It's hard coming to a hole where you need a 150 shot, with a slight breeze behind you and come up short with a 7 iron, and you pull a six and goes over. Irons and fit are one thing, but somehow to me at least, a fit even it's off some still should provide adequate results and not be this far off.

[/quote] The irons that you tried and said you were getting greater distances.  Were they the exact same lofts?  Some of the other brands lofts are sometimes two to three degrees stronger per club than Titleist.  AP1s run 1* stronger than AP2s.        

Hi Ryan, 

When you hit the TM PSI iron and the 716 AP2 irons, you mentioned that you the TM PSI iron was more than 15 yards longer, but did you know that the lofts are completely different? Not all 7-irons are the same, as their lofts are different. TM promises more distance because they jack up their lofts to make you hit them longer. The TM PSI 7-iron has a loft of 31.5* and the Titleist 716 AP2 7-iron has a loft of 34*. That's essentially a one club difference, and that could explain the 15-yards.  

Have you tried to have your Titleist irons tweaked to the same lofts as the TM PSI irons to see if you would get the same distance?

Sam  

For a short period of time while I got used to my AP2's I noticed a loss of about 5 yards per club.  However, now that I've played a full season with them, I'm back to the old distances I used to hit my MP-59's.  Shot dispersion and control is much improved for me after switching to the AP2's.  

Have you been playing the AP1's that long?  My advise is give them a little time and see how it goes for half a season before making any changes.

Best Regards,

JB

I noticed the same thing with my 714 AP2's that I was fitted for.  As it turned out, everything ended up being standard.  With my TM irons I could either go with an 8 or a comfortable 7 iron from 150 yards.  With the 714's, I have to pure a 7 iron to get it 150 yards.  I had heard the TM's are traditionally stronger, but when I compared the specs of the two sets, on average they were all within a degree.

There are so many possibilities  but it sounds like my first guess first would be that your set was not properly fit to you. There are so many things to look at with todays irons related to distance, the manufactures are changing the lofts to artificially to jack up the distance numbers I see no purpose in doing this, it's just one of the gimmicks being used to make you think the club hits the ball further.  In some cases thinning the face and a few other things may add a small amount of ball speed but to me they come at the expense of feel and control.  I have the 716 AP2s they have what I consider normal lofts so I know they will probably play a bit shorter than some of the irons with stronger lofts. I try to have no expectation on distance I go to the range and measure how far I am hitting each club when struck pure and set my distances that way.  

I would go back to fitter and go the numbers with him, if he is a good fitter he will fix them for you

Jeff

Walt - I recently ordered the new 716 CB's (7-P), 1* strong through my home course.  After receiving the clubs, I was hitting them on the range and I noticed right away the ball was ballooning, the flight was higher and my distances were way off.  I ordered the clubs with the same shaft as my AP2's with standard length and lie.  I was really disappointed with the clubs but new something was off.  I took them to a local Golf Galaxy and had the lofts checked, not only were they not the 1* strong that I ordered, but they were 4* weaker than what they should have been.  Basically one club weaker throughout.  Once I had them adjusted to my current specs, I am pretty close to the same distance with my normal ball flight.  

So, my advice would be to try and find a good fitter in your area and have them check the loft and lie to make sure you got what you ordered.  A 1* difference in loft equates to about 3 yards in carry distance.  I know it doesn't seem like much, but it all adds up in the end!

[/quote] Chuck, Maybe that's my issue and I just don't want to admit it. Late 60's here almost like you, Naturally I always blame the arrow when it comes to something like this except when I know when I put a bad swing on my shot. Still going to see that fitter, but maybe I'll have accept goiong with a 6 iron anywhere 150+ instead of a 7!Have resisted switching shafts from steel to graphite, but maybe that's an option also. Hopefully the fitter will be ablt to tell me more.

[/quote] Walt, when I was fitted for my new 714 AP2s, they put me in XP95 steel stiff shafts.  They said graphite would not give me an advantage.  Speaking of the arrow, it is the shaft that drives that arrowhead.  Just might need a different shaft.   Guess at our age we are really fortunate.  See a lot of guys in their late 60s, early and late 70s using hybrids from the 150 and very accurately and getting into my pocket.  My fitter a good friend I have known for over 25 years and his shop  has two Titleist certified fitters. They are always booked solid with fittings and I refer a lot of folks to them for the obvious reason.       

Everyone reading this thread, keep in mind that many other manufacturers "jack up" their lofts to give the illusion that THEIR clubs are "ten yards farther than your current clubs".  If you paint a "7" on your six iron, that doesn't make it 'longer'.

Compare apples to apples, and chances are, your Titleist irons are just as long as the next guys'.  Check their loft specs and see if they don't line up. You also might want to have your AP1s lofts checked to make sure that they are correct to factory specs, and if not, have them bent.

Everyone reading this thread, keep in mind that many other manufacturers "jack up" their lofts to give the illusion that THEIR clubs are "ten yards farther than your current clubs".  If you paint a "7" on your six iron, that doesn't make it 'longer'.

Compare apples to apples, and chances are, your Titleist irons are just as long as the next guys'.  Check their loft specs and see if they don't line up. You also might want to have your AP1s lofts checked to make sure that they are correct to factory specs, and if not, have them bent.

[/quote] MM failed to suggest having the lofts bent two degrees and that would boost the ego.  Talk to your fitter about that option as well....remember golf is 90% mental.......and the other 10% is in your mind.....ha...ha...