What is difference I yours an Cleveland

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By DJames

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  1. What is the difference I a Vokey and and the Cleveland set

  2. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    I play and always have be a fan of Vokey's. Like the feel and performance. Have never played Cleveland wedges.

    Being Titleist is the number one wedge on tour, I think the numbers would speak for themselves.


    Of the 380 different wedges used by the top 100 PGA Tour golfers 44% are made by Titleist. The next most popular brand is png whose clubs account for 17% of the wedges used with cally wedges making up 15%. The most popular individual pitching, gap, sand & lob wedge is Titleist’s Vokey Design SM8.

    The thing to do, being a wedge is such a individual choice, try each of them at a fitting and you make the decision which is best for you.

    I do highly recommend Vokey wedges and am looking to purchase the new SM9s up release. .

  3. Frank P

    Frank P
    Port St. Lucie, FL

    No doubt that Titleist wedges are #1 on tour. However, most of us are not on tour so I believe that the average golfer should find the wedge that works best for him/her. We had a Cleveland Demo Day here at the club and I hit the CBX2. Not a bad wedge. Has a wide sole and perimeter weighting, but has the look of a traditional wedge at address. Could be a good choice for those who play game improvement irons and are not short game wizards.
  4. SJW PM

    SJW PM

    I have played both Cleveland and Vokey Wedges. When I first joined my club years ago I had Cleveland Wedges. I ended up doing a fitting the first year with the Vokey's and made the purchase immediately. You cannot beat the feel and crispness of the Vokey Wedges. I highly recommend you get a fitting and test out several wedges - I'd bet the Vokey wedge will win.
  5. Dale V

    Dale V
    Escondido, CA

    Let me take you down memory lane... When I started playing golf there were only two companies making real sand wedges used by professionals. The majority used Wilson and some used Hogan wedges. Along came Roger Cleveland who refined that classical sand wedge design and soon had the majority share of the wedge business. Next came Bob Vokey who took wedges to an new level, offering bounces and grinds never before available to the general public. Roger sold his company and went to work for cally designing their wedges. Cleveland wedges are not, and have not for some time now, been designed by Roger Cleveland. Pretty much everyone agrees that Roger and Bob are the greatest wedge designers to ever be in the business. There is a good reason the vast majority of professional golfers play Vokey wedges, regardless of their company sponsorship.
  6. Thomas Y

    Thomas Y
    Wenham, MA

    I used to be a Cleveland wedge player. A bit after their 588 models (I don't recall the models, but it might have been CG10?), they had more bounce options (low, mid, high bounce) across their lineup and had them with many of the vast loft options (was every 2*, from 48 or maybe lower up to 64*). Plus, they had raw versions for no upcharge. I found the low bounce to work well for firm conditions at the courses I played, but I did experiment with higher bounces and did some custom grinding to suit my perceived needs.

    Vokey started with multiple bounce but expanded offerings by adding grind options for the different bounces, truly making the wedges something you could 'fit' to different conditions. It was difficult to convince myself to make the change. Cleveland actually had a forged wedge for a product cycle, the 588 PF (Precision Forged), but it only lasted one product cycle, maybe because of the shaft offering which was a DG Spinner, IIRC.

    Anyway, once I made the brand change, I've had no reason to consider other brands even though I do let my eyes wander from time to time.
  7. J22abe

    Los Angeles

    Last weekend, I was just helping my friend gap his cally PW and 52 Zipcore.
    Today I just spend an hour or so hitting wedges at the store looking for a new 56 wedge to replace my wearing SM4. Considering the miz T22 and the Vokey SM8

    The RTX Zipcores to me just didn't feel as good as the Vokeys. They seemed more clunky? They spin a lot though. The CBX is like a game improvement wedge?? It is forgiving and longer than the RTX blade. I believe I was hitting the 46 RTX around 125 carry, and hit the CBX 135 carry. The CBX is probably what many golfers should be using, especially in the full swing gap wedges.

    I don't know why, but I could not get the 56* T22 to spin anywhere near as much as the 56* SM8. I was getting 3000 rpm less on full swings and 600 rpm less on 25-30 yd chips. miz calls their ES21 cavity back wedges "Spin Central" and those I were hitting Vokey spin rates. But... cavity back.

    The 56* T22 was about 5-7 yds longer than the 56* Vokey (95-98yds vs 88-90yd), but the spin rates were significantly lower 4500 rpm to 7000+ rpm on the GC Quad. Chipping 2800-3000 vs 3400-3600 rpm. This equated to 2-4 yards more roll out on 25-30 yard chips and on the green 2 yards is a significant difference!

    I opted to custom order a 50 and 54 SM8 now as I love the look and it's $20 cheaper than the SM9. I know the SM9 is flighting lower and spinning higher, but I know I'll be just fine with the SM8. I might replace my 60 with a 58* SM9 later in the year.
  8. J22abe

    Los Angeles

    Also... The Cleveland RTX Zipcore and miz T22 are forged wedges. Vokey are cast, not forged.

    but, from Bob:

    There are a lot of myths and misconceptions about cast vs. forged out there. Casting and forging are just processes. The feel of the wedge is determined by the metal used, not by the process. We cast the softest metal available, 8620 mild carbon steel. People think we cast our wedges because it’s cheaper. That’s not the case. It’s because of the number of grinds, lofts, bounces that we have available. We start with the Tour and when we find a shape or grind we really like, we’re able to make a tool for it quickly. The casting process is able to replicate the grind much closer than if we forged it. Think about this: 80 percent of the wedges on Tour are cast. I’ve never had a player come up to me and say, “Voke, this wedge doesn’t feel good. I really wish it was forged.” These are the best players in the world. And that’s my R&D department.

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