SM10 F or K or D Grind Sand Wedge

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By Mike A

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  1. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military
    Based on recommendation from local Titleist rep and fitter, they put the average golfer in a 56.10S. For a good sand wedge.
  2. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military
    Based on recommendation from local Titleist rep and fitter, they put the average golfer in a 56.10S. For a good sand wedge.
  3. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Chuck Z said:

    Based on recommendation from local Titleist rep and fitter, they put the average golfer in a 56.10S. For a good sand wedge.

    S grind is good for general purpose but is, honestly, atrocious for soft sand (I'm more of a "digger" as of late). I carried a 54-10S (set to 52) as a "gap wedge" for 3 years (mainly because it works better vs 50-08F or 52-08F) and tinkered with a 54-12D (set to 52). The shortcoming of the D grind is off hard lies. For 6 months now I have been using a 54-14F (set to 52). It swings better vs 52-12F and works in a wide variety of conditions and I've had a few "sneaky pars" with it. My pitching wedge has remained as 48-10F set to 46 probably for 4 years now (upgraded to SM10 last year).

    I've been using K grind since 2018. Have tinkered with a 58-12D (set to 56) on and off. The K grind gets under the ball better on firm lies and also better in soft sand or thick grass. D grind is better for open face shots and full swings by about 2-3 yards but overall the K grind stays in the bag. 14* is way too much bounce on either F grind or K grind.
  4. Frank W

    Frank W
    Little Elm, Texas

    K-grind is specific for thick turf and SAND
  5. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Frank W said:

    K-grind is specific for thick turf and SAND

    I've been going between K grind bent 2* strong (60-14K to 58) and D grind. D's biggest advantage is flop shots and sometimes it works better off firm lies. I can play K grind, as I described, from a tight lie but play it back.

    For my "gap" wedge, I play a 54-14F bent to 52. Swings better vs 52-12F. The shortcoming of S grind is long bunker shots from soft sand and the shortcoming of D Grind is firm lies.
  6. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    What you see in my thumbnail is my wedge setup has pretty much returned to where I started out almost 2 years ago (with one enhancement: 62-08M set to 61 for firm lies and the obvious upgrade to SM10 in Apr 2024). K grind at 56-58 loft has been a fixture since 2018; however, been tinkering with various forms of D grind between 52-58* (54-12D and 58-12D) since 2023. For almost 6 years had been using a PM grind 64/10, aka “Phil 64”. I’ve been playing a 62-08M for 4 months at stock.

    In 2023, had to see what all the hype was about T grind. Played it as a lob wedge mainly for hard lies. And then a local clubfitter talked me into a low bounce K; a little more versatile vs T grind because I could also play on some soft lies. So the combo had been 58-12D (56-57*) and the 60-06K with the 64.

    48-10F at 46 has been a fixture as a PW for over 3 years now. I had played a 54-10S (52*) for almost 2 years as a gap wedge because it worked better vs 52-08F; the weak point was it was mediocre for long bunker shots. 54-12D at 52 was ok for long bunker shots but the shortcoming was firm lies. 52-12F seemed to fit the bill for versatility but the main issue is it didn’t hit as well as a 54-12D at 52*.

    I briefly had a GT2 7 wood but found out that my 910F hit better. The fitter let me try out a 58K* (even trade) it did better out of soft sand at 59* but was absolutely atrocious off tight lies. I returned it and got a new 54-14F and set it to 52*; swings way better vs 52-12F and it is very versatile. I also have been doing very well with 58-12K. Took the 60-14K and 54-12D back and got a GT2 13.5 (which works great with a Diamana 70 shaft at 42.5 and with a +2 head weight). The 62-08M at 61* is actually way more versatile vs 60-06K (did get 8 months of use on and off). What goes around comes around. 46-52-58-64 with 62-08M at 61*; Torrey Pines is toast.

  7. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Since my last post, 60-14K and 62-08M (58-61) have been a fixture; however, I saw a Wedgeworks 58V in the demo bin. The V grind worked pretty well on the course yesterday on various lies. The K-M combo is for course conditions.

    K grind picks the ball better vs D grind. Been using K grind on and off for 7 years.
  8. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Lou G said:

    Since my last post, 60-14K and 62-08M (58-61) have been a fixture; however, I saw a Wedgeworks 58V in the demo bin. The V grind worked pretty well on the course yesterday on various lies. The K-M combo is for course conditions.

    K grind picks the ball better vs D grind. Been using K grind on and off for 7 years.

    My last golf round on Friday plus a practice session, more or less cemented my sand setup. General purpose for sand is 58-10V. I carry 58-14K (57*) and 58-06K for unknown course conditions. The standard K grind actually carries better out of soft sand vs V grind but the latter has a little more roll. As far as pitching and chipping the 58-06K is very versatile and works better in firm sand vs the V grind or M grind; however, one has to be more of a "sweeper" in soft sand. I've been using a little more forward shaft lean so I tend towards being a "digger". I bent the 62-0M back to stock so I will be evaluating it vs my "Phil 64" tomorrow (I've been alternating between the two).

    I was playing 60-06K at 59* and one thing it did better vs V grind is stop the ball better. The practice session showed the 58V and low-K are equal, except the latter gets under the ball better on short pitches played back.
  9. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Lou G said:

    Since my last post, 60-14K and 62-08M (58-61) have been a fixture; however, I saw a Wedgeworks 58V in the demo bin. The V grind worked pretty well on the course yesterday on various lies. The K-M combo is for course conditions.

    K grind picks the ball better vs D grind. Been using K grind on and off for 7 years.

    I'm one that tinkers with lofts a bit to get desired bounce. The ultimate aim is drop in replacements for course conditions. 48-10F at 46* has been my pitching wedge for some time since the bounce is ideal for full swings.

    I swing a 54* sand wedge bent to 52 much better vs a 52* gap wedge. I played S grind for ages but the shortcoming is long bunker shots in soft sand. D grind works in most cases but the shortcoming is a firm lie. I've been using 54-14F at 52* and it is a good universal "gap wedge".

    I've been playing a 57-58* loft for greenside bunkers with a 64 for deeper bunkers with minimal real estate to the pin. M grind's shortcoming is soft sand; 62-08M at 61* is good for firm bunkers; however, I have had a PM grind 64/10 for 7 years now and it is basically a go to for deep greenside bunkers.

    Torrey Pines is what turned me on to K grind in 2018. 58-14K at 57* or 60-14K at 58*. I'm locked in with 58-14K at 57*. It's biggest advantage over D grind with the same loft is it carries a little further out of soft sand. For open face shots and full swings, D grind is better.

    V grind is a bit more versatile (at stock loft) vs D grind. I saw one in the demo bin about 2 months ago and just got a tax refund. It's almost equal with low bounce K on firmer lies. Good in soft sand but K grind carries a little farther and sticks. V grind does roll a little bit. It is a choice for a "Sunday bag" and I play it with low bounce K at a certain executive course.

    What's in my thumb nail covers all course conditions. I just got the 58-06K over the weekend on a return (at a more of a "mom and pop" store) for a 60-06K (which I set to 59*). It was almost a trade off between the 60 and 62-08M (61*). I had the "mom and pop" guy set the loft of the 62-08M to stock yesterday because the intent is to compare vs the 64 and the 58-06K. There is a playground sandbox that has soft sand and the 64 was better. The 58-06K also works better out of the "Miramar practice bunker" (which is hard pan) and the chipping green by the clubhouse vs 62-08M.


  10. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    What's in my bag is good for everything. 54-14F bent to 52, 58-1K bent to 56, 58-06K and 64. The V grind beats D grind hands down but the 58-14K is more versatile.
  11. Branden W

    Branden W
    Northern California by way of Texas

    Military
    The S-grind is very versatile. When my wedge gapping use to be 48, 52, 56, my 56 was F-grind with a 14 bounce, because, like you, I had read the F-grind is the most-used sand wedge grind on Tour, and the 14 bounce was near what I was use to in my past sand wedge. However, when I got fitted for clubs, my wedges switched to 46, 50, 54, and 60. The 54 is my sand wedge, and I went with the S-grind, with 10 bounce, due to the versatility and liking the option of opening the face on flop shots. The S-grind, with the heel relief, allows for more versatility. Something you may want to consider.
  12. Brad M

    Brad M

    I would focus more on the bounce you want. My SM10 is 60.06 K grind. My SM09 is 60.04 L grind. I can not tell the difference in grind when hitting them. I only use my 60 around the green, I never use it for full shots.
  13. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    What one sees in my thumbnail is a bag of clubs that is pretty universal. The attached image is my bunker arsenal.

    My wedge gap is 46-52-58-64. The 46 loft is 48-10F. The 52 loft is a 54-14F. The 58 is 60-12D.

    If I play Torrey Pines, I will bring the 58V and 58-06K. The D grind works better off hard lies vs the V grind and they are even in moderate sand; however, the V grind works better in "fluffy" sand. The low bounce K and D grind are pretty close to equal on hard pan and where the former works better is hard sand; however, if I play back in my stance with D and "dig", I can pop it up. Open face is where D wins. Low bounce K does work in soft lies if one sweeps. The odd ball club is a custom forged wedge from a local vendor.
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  14. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Lou G said:

    What one sees in my thumbnail is a bag of clubs that is pretty universal. The attached image is my bunker arsenal.

    My wedge gap is 46-52-58-64. The 46 loft is 48-10F. The 52 loft is a 54-14F. The 58 is 60-12D.

    If I play Torrey Pines, I will bring the 58V and 58-06K. The D grind works better off hard lies vs the V grind and they are even in moderate sand; however, the V grind works better in "fluffy" sand. The low bounce K and D grind are pretty close to equal on hard pan and where the former works better is hard sand; however, if I play back in my stance with D and "dig", I can pop it up. Open face is where D wins. Low bounce K does work in soft lies if one sweeps. The odd ball club is a custom forged wedge from a local vendor.
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    Update: "Cleaned house" (got enough trade-in for TSi1 23 and 29 hybrids) to buy back an SM10 58-14K that I already traded in. The attached image is my entire greenside bunker arsenal for the 58* loft. 60-12D came about because I "cleaned house" on the top end (T200 PW, Vokey 46-10F and 50-12F at 44-48 in an attempt to "tighten gaps; I have been carrying 48-10F set to 46 and a 54-14F set to 52 since I upgraded to SM10 last year). I have been playing the V grind and low bounce K since tax time and it has been a pretty good combo. My combination for 3 years (2021-2024) had been 54-10S (set to 52) and 58-14K set to 56*. Actually a pretty lethal combo between Mar 2024-Mar 2025 had been a 58-12D and a Wedgeworks 60-06K. My local fitter talked me into low bounce K early 2024. In 2023, had to see what all the hype was about T grind so I had one in my bag alongside my standard K grind. Plus been trading off between 58-14K and 58-12D set at the same loft in 2023-2024. The non-Vokey in the image is a custom forged 58/12 from a local vendor with Callie grooves that I've had since 2022. The K grind sometimes works better off tight lies vs D grind but where the latter works better is flop shots.

    The attached social media post is a blog I created, called the "Lou Grein Manual Golf Swing". I do have a video of the 60-12D wedge out of the same bunker and it stopped 2 feet from the pin; unfortunately, during the excitement, my language got a bit "colorful."
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  15. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    The images below are:
    Left.... general short iron setup with 46-52-58-64. The 3 Vokeys are all 2* strong.

    Right.... my greenside bunker arsenal. 58V 58-06K a pair. 60-12D and a local vendor (Scripps Golf) 58/12.
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  16. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    What goes around comes around. 58-14K had been a staple since 2018. Been dinkering with 58 wedges for a year and a half between D grind and a combo of V and low bounce K. 58-14K set to 56* works in a variety of conditions for me.

  17. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    I have 58-14K (57*) for courses like Torrey Pines. I have been carrying 58V and 58-06K to cover all conditions.
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  18. William B

    William B
    Worldwide

    I just got a 58-06K

    My home course has some pretty sand packed bunkers

    I'll leave some feedback next week
  19. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    William B said:

    I just got a 58-06K

    My home course has some pretty sand packed bunkers

    I'll leave some feedback next week

    The 58-06K will work in some soft bunkers and is pretty versatile overall. I'm currently carrying a 60-14K and 60-06K both set to 58*.
  20. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    60-14K and 60-06K cover all conditions. I have both set to 58*
  21. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Lou G said:

    60-14K and 60-06K cover all conditions. I have both set to 58*

    The 60-06K is my go-to for my home courses (Riverwalk and Oaks North). I bring the 60-14K for Torrey Pines & Admiral Baker.
  22. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    The 60-06K is my go-to for my home courses (Riverwalk and Oaks North). I bring the 60-14K for Torrey Pines & Admiral Baker.
  23. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    In the attached image, are a 58-12D and the 60-06K (currently set to 58*).

    I returned the 60-14K after a small adjustment to my 58V made it more versatile (set loft to 56*). There is a deep bunker on Riverwalk 10th with coarse sand but not really fluffy. The V grind clears the bunker by 2 feet plus it is close to equal vs the low bounce K on hard lies.

    The major shortcoming of the 60-14K is open face flop shots. It is fine for digging shots.

    The 58-12D is an old one I traded in and it was about equal to the 58V with the same loft (56*). I set the loft to stock (58*) and it is much improved in thick grass and in a playground sand box I use to test fluffy lies.

    The V and low bounce K have been a fixture since last year.

    The V grind set to 56 is much more versatile vs M grind. It stands on its own at my home courses now. Where it out-does the 58-12D and low bounce K is 5 yards of distance (because of the lift).

    The D and low-K are paired up for places like Torrey Pines.

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  24. caleb k

    caleb k

    Mike A said:

    Vokey confuses me, need help. K grind is supposedly ultimate bunker club but not offered in 54* which is listed as sand wedge. F grind is most played sand wedge on tour but listed as best for full shots. My online wedge fitting recommends D grind. I need a 54 sand wedge with some versatility.

    titelist has to add a full face grind to the sm11
  25. caleb k

    caleb k

    Mike A said:

    Vokey confuses me, need help. K grind is supposedly ultimate bunker club but not offered in 54* which is listed as sand wedge. F grind is most played sand wedge on tour but listed as best for full shots. My online wedge fitting recommends D grind. I need a 54 sand wedge with some versatility.

    we have to add full face grind in the next vockey wedges sm11
  26. caleb k

    caleb k

    Mike A said:

    Vokey confuses me, need help. K grind is supposedly ultimate bunker club but not offered in 54* which is listed as sand wedge. F grind is most played sand wedge on tour but listed as best for full shots. My online wedge fitting recommends D grind. I need a 54 sand wedge with some versatility.

    k grinds are better in my opinion
  27. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Mike A said:

    Vokey confuses me, need help. K grind is supposedly ultimate bunker club but not offered in 54* which is listed as sand wedge. F grind is most played sand wedge on tour but listed as best for full shots. My online wedge fitting recommends D grind. I need a 54 sand wedge with some versatility.

    I carried K grind between 2018-2023. Trading off between K and D. I play K grind 2* strong. I also had the 58V in my bag with a 60-06K (58*) for the past 6 months. When I last responded with D grind, I was playing a 60-12D at 58*. I managed to get my SM9 58-12D back in a trade. I just traded my V grind back and got a 58-10S more for use as an "all purpose wedge". The Scripps Golf 58/12 is a full-face forged wedge that I bought 3 years ago from a friend whose company builds custom wedges and it vs the V grind are close to equal. The D grind is good for a wide variety of lies but where it beats the standard K grind is open face shots. In soft lies they are close. Low bounce K is good for wet or coarse sand and a wide variety of lies. The K does hit OK on firm lies if you play back in the stance.
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  28. Lou G

    Lou G
    San Diego, CA

    Mike A said:

    Vokey confuses me, need help. K grind is supposedly ultimate bunker club but not offered in 54* which is listed as sand wedge. F grind is most played sand wedge on tour but listed as best for full shots. My online wedge fitting recommends D grind. I need a 54 sand wedge with some versatility.

    I just replaced the 58-10S with a 58-14K. My "universal sand wedge" is an SM9 58-12D that I bought back. For unknown courses or Torrey Pines, carry the 58-14K and 60-06K (58*). I nearly holed out twice last Sunday with 58-12D.

    The attached image is my short iron setup.
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  29. Chuck Z

    Chuck Z
    Mt Pleasant, SC

    Military
    I truly believe, play whatever works best for you. As they say about choices, they are like opinions. Everyone has one and that is what keeps the golfing industry moving along as the world turns. ha..ha..
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