Does Playing with Better Players Make You Golf Better?

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By P_Lamps

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  1. Jim W

    Jim W
    Soquel, CA

    I think playing any sport with players better than you will eventually improve your game.  Conversly, playing with higher handicappers will negatively affect your score. With better players I tend to concentrate more and there is always a chance that just by watching them  I can pick up on something I could do better. 

  2. Bobbi B

    Bobbi B
    Portland, OR

    I do play better when I am playing with better players. My handicap is in the 20's and when I am playing with better players it is easier to focus and play well. That's if they aren't intimidating.... need to be friendly when I am playing as a single female. When I play with others that are not at least at my level, I play worse... it seems they are not serious about the game, play slow, talk when I'm hitting. I should do better at not letting this get to me
  3. artybabe

    artybabe
    somerville, MA

    I happen to like playing with a low handicapper.  They usually show more respect for the game and other players. You don't get the talking, practice swings or other distractions while playing your ball. Also the rest of the foursome generally follows suit. All the best to the TT members, Play well. Just had Hip replaced, and aching to play again. All my best to all the TT members.

  4. Bobbi B

    Bobbi B
    Portland, OR

    It's hard for us higher (20's) handicappers too, when players talk in our back swing, get in our range of vision, put their shadow on our putting line, busy themselves rearranging their bag and clank the clubs when we tee off.  More etiquette on the course would be a big plus for all of us.  

  5. Evan J

    Evan J
    West Plains, MO

    I always play better when playing with good players. For some reason I play worse when playing with worse players. I like the pressure of staying up with the better golfers and really get frustrated with the slower play of worse golfers.

  6. Absolutely. I am a 9 and playing with better players than myself is always a plus. I have often found that playing with young high school or college players you can learn an awful lot and can have a positive impact on your game. Certainly you are not going to hit the ball as far as most of them, but it is always fun to watch them rip one down the fairway.

  7. Curtis M

    Curtis M
    Golden Valley, MN

    Yes your concentration level goes up when you play with better players.  Stay within your game, play your shots, parctice your weak areas.

    I also recomend that you find a league in your area.  It not only gets you out each week, the competition will help you strive to get better.

  8. David L

    David L
    fort collins, CO

    It depends. When I'm playing with better golfers and betting I usually take more time to think about my shots and line up putts, which allows me to shoot a little lower usually. When I'm playing with friends that are 20+ handicaps I usually spend time helping them with their game and mine will suffer a little. Sometimes it's hard to put bad shots behind me when I'm playing with better golfers because I'm worried about losing too much ground...I start playing more aggressive, which can lead to more poor shots and higher scores. I actually enjoy playing by myself sometimes because all I think about is my game...I take as long as I want and only focus on my game. It rarely happens, but it's fun and I tend to get more out of it I feel. Also, playing with better golfers allows you to learn more from their shots. I played yesterday in a strong wind and when my friend, a 3 handicap, would hit his shots and come up short or long, it made it easier to decide what club I'd use. Many times he came up short and I knew to take an extra club. There were a could times when we had a very similar line and I was able to learn quite a bit from his putts. I guess now I feel like playing with better golfers is more of a benefit and I play better, but in the past it has made me more nervous and had a hard time controlling that and not letting bad shots get in my head.
  9. No'l

    No'l
    Palmdale, CA

    When I play with better players who can score or can keep the ball in play without delay, it helps that I don't have to worry much about them in a round and that they will be fine- so now I can play my game and whatever happens it will also be without delay. .. Having a better player in a group during a round allows everyone more attention to each other's own game that everyone have worked on, schedule and manage a time for, and not to mention keep within a budget (for some including me). Not so much about observation to pick up on what good players do in a round, but yes, it is a pleasure and exciting to admire what they can do so much better... and I'd always let them know it at the end of the round. Hats off with a hand shake for the pleasure to have been in the same group.
  10. John L

    John L
    Cumming, GA

    From my experience I have discovered that overall it definitely makes you better. The first time you play with a better player, you will not see much of a difference. When you start playing with them at least once per week, you will begin to see improvement.

  11. One should always strive to play with golfers who are better than yourself. I find that it makes me concentrate a little harder to try and keep up.  I hate hitting bad amateurish shots in front of those who don't but when it happens, you find them more than willing to help with some words of wisdom.

  12. Matt B

    Matt B
    Columbus, OH

    I don't believe that it makes me a better golfer, however I enjoy playing at the faster pace with better players. I'm a 5 hcp, I do find that when playing with high cappers I will hit shots that I wouldn't normally play and seem less concerned about scoring. When playing with better players it's all about course management and making better decisions.
  13. Steve L

    Steve L
    Framingham, MA

    YES.   I'm still a scratch handicap and there are plenty of people better than me.  

    I followed two players for their final round at deutche bank and found it very helpful to learn how they navigated the course. Most of the time they played very conservative, taking any potential big numbers out of play. several times electing to miss the green on purpose , knowing how easy the chip would be compared to the putt from the wrong side of the hole.

    as for me, I find that I try just a little harder and focus better when I'm playing with good players or in any competition.

  14. P_Lamps

    P_Lamps
    Hoboken, NJ

    First and foremost, I want to say thanks to all those who have replied.  I can't believe how much interest this post got from all the TT members!

    So over the past few months (and based on some replies), I have started to try to figure out better ways to address playing with those very high handicap slow playing golfers whom which I would often blame for killing my round.  What I found useful was creating a game within the game.  By that I mean I would try to focus on either hitting as many fairways as possible, hitting as many GIRs as possible, or obtaining a certain number of saves if missing the green, or hitting a new low putting record.  I would not pick more than one of these elements in a given a round.  

    For example, if I had a feeling from the first tee that it was going to be a very long round (I know I'm being judgmental but wearing a pair of jeans at the muni course is a giveaway at times) I would tell myself, lets focus on only breaking my previous record for hitting as many fairways as possible.  I would still keep track of my full score, but what this would do is help me really focus on a small subset of shots in a given round and walk away content even if my overall focus became distracted at times.  This way, getting that triple would not sting as much because I just had a new personal record in another aspect.

  15. Hotsauce

    Hotsauce
    Georgetown MA

    As a 5 handicapper I have been the best and the worst in many a 4 some.  I'll agree that playing with those +2's makes me really want to bring my A game, but seeing a scorecard that resembles a voting ballot is equally strong motivation.  When you're giving a guy 5-10 strokes in match play, you need to bring you A game even more.  Those pars = birdies my friend.  

    If the guy you're playing with doesn't want to bet, just guess on the cap, or give em 3 a side and try to take him down.

    P_Lamps- don't always judge a book by it's cover.  One of my buddies looks like a slob and is an absolute stick.  If you sized him up based on equipment (old blade irons, rusty wedges, goofy/dirty head covers) you'd lose your lunch money.  Come to think of it, I should head to the muni, toss on a Canadian tuxedo and see if anyone wants a game!

  16. dave p

    dave p
    lexington, KY

    Play most of my golf at the local muni, and would rather play with better players. At this course we have the top amateur and senior amateur in the state and I have managed to play a couple of rounds with each. Playing with better players, makes me concentrate more on my swing, stay in myself and also gives me a great opportunity to watch how others manage the course.

  17. Garrison M

    Garrison M
    Hiddenite, NC

    Yes, if you play with better players you aren't constantly waiting on your playing partners or looking for lost balls. When you are waiting a while in between shots, you aren't playing as well as you can. 

  18. Jim H

    Jim H
    Fenton, MO

    Yes if they're accepting of your lesser skills and no if they make you uncomfortable. Better players simply have better swings and we have a propensity of mimicking better swings which rubs off on you resulting in an improvement in my estimation. By all means play with better players when you can.
  19. Mike S

    Mike S
    Prospect, CT

    I agree with your assessment; this is purely my opinion. More often than not when you are playing with others who are not as good as you, you are visualizing bad shots right in front of you and mentally that can be a disadvantage. Also, I think that when I sit waiting for others to find their balls or go back-and-forth over the green, it causes me to rush to get off the hole (as normally we will have people behind us). I find that sometimes I will not even watch a chip, putt, or approach of someone if I am in a match. 

    On the other hand, when I play with better players than me I feel that I focus more; for example really read greens, yardage, pin location, etc. As most times we are in a playable position we can use the time to make reads rather than look for balls that were hit out of play. Also, I feel that the players that are better really enjoy talking golf and making reads like I do, so I end up shooting better most times. 

    Now with that said I play with a variety of skill level players and I wouldn't trade the camaraderie and enjoyment of playing with my friends for anything. Therefore, the cost benefit doesn't really affect me and I'd rather have a good time. Also, I am certainly not the best out of my playing buddies. 

    That's just my $0.02 and my experiences. I would say just enjoy the game and embrace all skill levels and don't over think things like this. 

  20. Great question! I will tell you that I started playing at the age of 10 by playing with better players. I didn't really have a choice because virtually everyone was better than me but I stuck it out because I fell in love with the game. I recently went to TPI in Oceanside and really rounded out by whole bag. That and also being much more grown mentally, I am a low handicap player. I notice now that my best game comes out when I play with those as good or better than myself.

    I played Mission Hills Pete Dye Course in Rancho Mirage and randomly got paired with some kids that were practicing for a JR SCGA (not exactly sure?) Qualifier. One of those kids was 8, and by far the best 8 yr old kid I've ever seen! The other ones were 12 or 13 but they were sticking it, playing from the tips! I was a fool for buying an Omen of a "hot deal" on GolfNow in the desert. In June. Some sort of sick joke, it was 108 degrees and they were laughing at me, said "yeah come back next week, it'll be 120!"

    They definitely brought out my best game tho. I stuck my new TSi2 7 metal from 210 on #3 to 5 ft. but every single one of them hit it to approx. the same distance to the cup. Wish I had taken pics but I think there were plenty of family/friends of theirs that followed our group and a bunch of them took pics, perhaps they will see this and post pics.

    So to answer your question, yes playing with better players does make you better, no matter the age, Ha.

    You mentioned also about finding better players, look around online for some local courses that have a Men's Club to join and then go scout out the course and just ask around. I plan on doing that myself, best of luck!
  21. Great question! I will tell you that I started playing at the age of 10 by playing with better players. I didn't really have a choice because virtually everyone was better than me but I stuck it out because I fell in love with the game. I recently went to TPI in Oceanside and really rounded out by whole bag. That and also being much more grown mentally, I am a low handicap player. I notice now that my best game comes out when I play with those as good or better than myself.

    I played Mission Hills Pete Dye Course in Rancho Mirage and randomly got paired with some kids that were practicing for a JR SCGA (not exactly sure?) Qualifier. One of those kids was 8, and by far the best 8 yr old kid I've ever seen! The other ones were 12 or 13 but they were sticking it, playing from the tips! I was a fool for buying an Omen of a "hot deal" on GolfNow in the desert. In June. Some sort of sick joke, it was 108 degrees and they were laughing at me, said "yeah come back next week, it'll be 120!"

    They definitely brought out my best game tho. I stuck my new TSi2 7 metal from 210 on #3 to 5 ft. but every single one of them hit it to approx. the same distance to the cup. Wish I had taken pics but I think there were plenty of family/friends of theirs that followed our group and a bunch of them took pics, perhaps they will see this and post pics.

    So to answer your question, yes playing with better players does make you better, no matter the age, Ha.

    You mentioned also about finding better players, look around online for some local courses that have a Men's Club to join and then go scout out the course and just ask around. I plan on doing that myself, best of luck!
  22. Hey,

    This topic is absolutely relevant to my experience in golf.

    I have been playing 3.5 years and got my handicap to 1. Usually, people would assume I have been spending hundreds of hours with coaches. In fact, I have had around 5 lessons.

    I would attribute a lot of my rapid improvement to the fact I have played 90% of my golf with elite amateur plus handicappers (who are now some of my closest friends), this includes a couple +4 and a +5.

    Playing with this standard made me feel inferior and embarrassed, which resulted in the constant desire to 'match' their standard. I have been very lucky in the sense that they were patient and very helpful with my journey.

    I couldn't recommend enough trying to play with golfers who are significantly better than you.

    Thanks
    Peter


  23. Todd T

    Todd T
    San Diego, CA

    Military
    I tend to play a few strokes better, mainly because the pace of play is moving and dependent of the group(s) ahead of us!
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